Obama's Legacy in Planetary Exploration... Really? He has one?

What we have all come to expect and love/detest from our employees that ignore us
Post Reply
User avatar
bernomatic
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 941
Joined: Tue, 29 Mar 16, 03:55 am
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Contact:

#1 Obama's Legacy in Planetary Exploration... Really? He has one?

Post by bernomatic » Tue, 24 Jan 17, 19:12 pm

While checking out some stuff on Space.com, I noticed this article from 2 years ago....
It is frustrating, at a time when other nations are in ascendancy in space, that the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama seems committed to undermining the nation's own solar system exploration program.

The Obama administration cut NASA's planetary-sciences budget by 20 percent in 2013. It has taken the National Research Council's (NRC) recommendations for prioritizing planetary investments in bad economic times and turned those recommendations upside down. The administration continues to favor large, directed projects at the expense of programs and missions that are openly competed.
:arrow: link
Chief Cook -n- bottle washer

User avatar
Joe Wooten
Space Lieutenant
Space Lieutenant
Posts: 378
Joined: Wed, 06 Apr 16, 13:26 pm

#2 Re: Obama's Legacy in Planetary Exploration... Really? He has one?

Post by Joe Wooten » Fri, 27 Jan 17, 15:00 pm

I don't believe there was one planetary mission conceived, approved, built, and launched during his term

User avatar
Joe Wooten
Space Lieutenant
Space Lieutenant
Posts: 378
Joined: Wed, 06 Apr 16, 13:26 pm

#3 Re: Obama's Legacy in Planetary Exploration... Really? He has one?

Post by Joe Wooten » Fri, 27 Jan 17, 15:01 pm

The administration continues to favor large, directed projects at the expense of programs and missions that are openly competed.

The better to direct money to certain cronies

User avatar
luke strawwalker
Space Vice Admiral
Space Vice Admiral
Posts: 1440
Joined: Thu, 07 Apr 16, 04:45 am

#4 Re: Obama's Legacy in Planetary Exploration... Really? He has one?

Post by luke strawwalker » Sat, 28 Jan 17, 02:25 am

Joe Wooten wrote:The administration continues to favor large, directed projects at the expense of programs and missions that are openly competed.

The better to direct money to certain cronies
Exactly...

ONLY the "right people" were allowed to win in Nobama's Presidency; everybody else were the losers...

Later! OL J R :)
My MUNIFICENCE is BOUNDLESS, Mr. Bond...

User avatar
luke strawwalker
Space Vice Admiral
Space Vice Admiral
Posts: 1440
Joined: Thu, 07 Apr 16, 04:45 am

#5 Re: Obama's Legacy in Planetary Exploration... Really? He has one?

Post by luke strawwalker » Sat, 28 Jan 17, 05:22 am

Interesting article, now that I finally had time to go and read it. The comments were even more interesting. They point out THE fundamental flaw in the ENTIRE Nobama presidency... a DISTINCT lack of LEADERSHIP... at every level, regardless of what area you want to look at.

Nobama will go down in history as a finger-wagging playboy who, like Nero who fiddled while Rome burned, was content to play golf and make self-important speeches criticizing his opponents and little else. His self-aggrandizement is legendary, but other than the "bad deals" he made by foisting Obamacare on us and the Iranian nuke deal (which will come back to bite the entire world in the butt one day), he basically accomplished *nothing*. Oh, he was certainly an 'activist' for many causes-- from lighting up the White House in the rainbow colors of the queers to stomping on the coal industry and blocking any energy projects that he and his fellow greenies disliked or felt "environmentally damaging" (despite government information to the contrary), like the various pipeline projects he blocked... and he emboldened government agencies like the EPA to overstep their authority in many ways, including the highly dubious and potentially catastrophically damaging "Waters of the US" rules.

Obama's team correctly pointed out that the Constellation program, NASA's manned spaceflight plans for returning to the Moon, Mars, and Beyond, was critically flawed in how it was being implemented, with Ares I and V (primarily Ares I, though its shortcomings were being passed on to Ares V, making it also virtually doomed to fail due to excessive demands being placed upon it to make up for Ares I's anemic deficiencies). His replacement of Mike Griffin with Charlie Bolden was simply replacing Bush's "yes man" with his own. Neither were good leaders for NASA. Obama, through Bolden, redirected NASA into "navel gazing" exercises like reaching out to the Muslim community and focusing more on climate change and other such "non-missions" regarding the environment rather than to focus on planning and carrying out research on the solar system for the coming decades.

So, all this is history... where do we go from here??

HOPEFULLY, President Trump will replace Charlie Bolden with someone who will actually be a LEADER for the space program. Someone who is familiar with the space program and its shortcomings, someone who understands what it's like to be an outsider looking in, left out in the cold because he's NOT one of the "chosen few" insiders in the governmental/industrial complex who have become the sacred cows that constantly come and go through the revolving door at NASA between its management and government and industry. Someone like, say, ELON MUSK. He would be an EXCELLENT choice for NASA Administrator! If ANYBODY could bring in a fresh perspective, has the skills to muster a successful space startup through the regulatory hurtles NASA bureaucracy has continuously placed in his path, and cut through all the red tape to put the Space Agency back on the proper path, it would be someone like Elon Musk. It might not be possible for Musk himself to serve in the role, especially with his company being one of the premier suppliers of the commercial services which NASA SO desperately needs-- such a position could be seen as a conflict of interest, especially if something like the bloated and decade-long effort to create some sort of super-rocket out of old shuttle parts (SLS) was canceled and replaced by something that made INFINITELY more sense, like Falcon 9 Heavy, or goodness forbid an all-new commercial HLV designed along the lines of a Saturn V replacement... At any rate, what NASA DESPERATELY needs is TRUE leadership-- a truly talented manager who is capable of glad-handing the politicians yet utterly committed to achieving the goal and vision of the President and making NASA *THE* preeminent space exploration agency on the planet and forwarding our goals in space. Someone NOT interested in public relations nonsense like reaching out to the Muslims and navel-gazing within NASA itself as an end unto itself; someone more interested in NASA actually ACHIEVING something than resting on its laurels of past triumphs like the Moon landings and such... Someone more interested in reforming NASA into a healthy, vital, INNOVATIVE organization than in preserving "ten healthy centers" (which has become something of a mantra in NASA).

Without LEADERSHIP, NASA will continue to founder and remain stuck on the sandy shoals in LEO (read "ISS") and navel-gazing at its own place and public relations, rather than actually moving forward in a consolidated way and laying the foundation for the further exploration of space, both manned and unmanned. It will continue to be a slave to the parochial interests of "the shuttle mafia" and others who are content to spend the last 13 years and BILLIONS of dollars building vehicles out of old shuttle parts while remaining content that NO missions for such vehicles have been funded, and content that their designs will require ANOTHER decade and billions MORE funding before they will be capable of actually performing any sort of actual exploration missions at some point in the future. So long as the money is rolling in at the right places, they don't really care if ANYTHING EVER gets done or actually flies or serves any purpose whatsoever...

Until this STOPS and REAL leadership emerges, NASA is going NOWHERE, and doing it at INCREDIBLE expense, not only monetarily, but also the expense to future generations for whom the groundwork required is NOT being laid NOW.

Later! OL J R :)
My MUNIFICENCE is BOUNDLESS, Mr. Bond...

User avatar
bernomatic
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 941
Joined: Tue, 29 Mar 16, 03:55 am
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Contact:

#6 Re: Obama's Legacy in Planetary Exploration... Really? He has one?

Post by bernomatic » Sat, 28 Jan 17, 12:27 pm

I was going to put this second part in a new thread, but after reading your post, it will fit in here nicely.

First. In regards to the Waters of the US bull, I can't wait for a court to have the balls to overturn all that garbage. The wetlands regs have been nothing more than a grab for control over private land ownership since it first raised its ugly head. Mind you, it's not about ownership of the "wetlands area", No, no, no. They don't want to take ownership away from you so therefore you still have to pay the taxes on that land. However, you could own a parcel of land and the EPA or COE (US Army Corp of Engineers) or another designated "expert" can come in and tell you a significant portion of that land is "wetlands" and you basically lose control of it. If this law was around when the USA was being first built up, I would saw that large portions of the major cities would never have been developed. From New York to Los Angeles, and most of the major cities in between (Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans [forget about it, never would have been a New Orleans at all], Houston, Miami, San Francisco... You get the point) have large tracts of land that where filled in from marshlands or other areas considered wetlands today. These were the areas around which the water transportation was and in many cases still is. Telling a land speculator he couldn't build there would have stopped a significant portion of the development of these cities, and Contrary to what president Obama has stated in the past, Yes we did build that. It was private developers who built the infrastructure of our cities and then turned it over to the governments for care and upkeep. Anyways, what do you say to the government claiming jurisdiction over the mandated retention ponds put on developed properties to hold rain water because the local government doesn't want to pay to update it's sewer collection facilities? Are we seeing a pattern here?

We know it's going to take a little bit of time to stop the Obama nightmare at NASA, let's hope its soon. I received an email regarding a new event happening soon for NASA. Are they updating the ISS? no. Launching a probe into deep space to visit a nearby planet? no. Are they even doing that bit of rodeo clown work and lassoing a meteor and bringing it back to Earth? maybe, but not soon that I know of.
No, the hallmark event which triggered this email is "NASA Invites Media Behind the Scenes of Volcano, Coral Reef Research". WOW :o say you? Of course this will be a task undertaken by the redirecting of spy sats and Hubble towards Earth or some such right? No, they are doing this with an ER-2 aircraft flying over the areas.
This month, scientists begin collecting data on coral reef health and volcanic emissions and eruptions with NASA’s Hyperspectral Infrared Imager (HyspIRI) preparatory airborne mission onboard the high-altitude ER-2 aircraft. Starting Feb. 10, NASA will fly its Glacier and Ice Surface Topography Interferometer (GLISTIN) on a Gulfstream III aircraft to observe lava flow patterns at Kilauea on Hawaii’s Big Island.
It is hard to believe that this is what NASA's mission is about anymore. The sooner President Trump directs his gaze this way, the better off NASA will be.

:arrow: link to NASA media advisory
Chief Cook -n- bottle washer

User avatar
luke strawwalker
Space Vice Admiral
Space Vice Admiral
Posts: 1440
Joined: Thu, 07 Apr 16, 04:45 am

#7 Re: Obama's Legacy in Planetary Exploration... Really? He has one?

Post by luke strawwalker » Tue, 31 Jan 17, 06:54 am

How the hell do coral reefs and glaciers fit with NASA's mandate to explore space...

That flame on Kennedy's grave must be the escaping heat of friction from him spinning down there...

Later! OL J R :)
My MUNIFICENCE is BOUNDLESS, Mr. Bond...

Post Reply